BAD STARTER SOUNDS IS WORSE

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HI FOLKS

when i go to start my bike some times I get some awlful sounds off starter area, and it fails to start.

other times and it is most times, it clicks right in and starts so smooth.

this is a new engine, with a big head, about 30 more cc's then the 150's.

question-

can a start be defective and drain battery quicker too and what is the teeth grinding sound with a pop.

and thanks for comments

[jmkjr72]

grinding sounds are normaly starters not fully engageing

if a starter is going bad and drawing too many amps normaly it wont turn or wont trun fast enough to start

high compresion engines need batteries with more cranking amps a heavier wire from the battery to the starter and possibly a starter that can provide more torque

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Aug 23, 2012 18:22:33 GMT -5 jmkjr72 said:

grinding sounds are normaly starters not fully engageing

if a starter is going bad and drawing too many amps normaly it wont turn or wont trun fast enough to start

high compresion engines need batteries with more cranking amps a heavier wire from the battery to the starter and possibly a starter that can provide more torque

Thanks, some where in your post i know i have one of the problems
you mention

THIS IS A NEW 180

I had the same engine before, never had a strange sound come out of the old one.

most times it does not pop and crakle, just starts smooth.

foot starting this bike is a mother, real compression in there.

I have heard many say a 180 needs a high power starter motor , but have never seen one for sale

DO YOU THINK THIS SITUATION IS A DANGER TO THE BIKE???

I will go over the wires and tell you what i find

THANKS AGAIN

terry

[jmkjr72]

check out scooter works i thought they had a high torqu ncy starter for gy6
i know they make them for the zuma 125

yes and no as to the problem
if the probelm is in the wires yes there is a danger to fire
if its just the starter not properly e ngaging then the teeth will either wear off the starter or starter clutch

[Rebel]

If the starter is not engaging properly you will end up replacing the starter and the starter clutch. You can pull the starter out and see if the teeth are getting chewed up, the clutch is a bit of a problem to just look at, the left side of the motor needs to come apart.

Make sure the starter is not loose.

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I am gonna put in a new selenode

some times it catches so smooth but next time awful.

will check wires as the battery runs down after 4-5 start attemps

[Rebel]

Sounds more like a bad gear or two on the starter clutch to me. On cars the solenoid will move the starter bendix out to engage the flywheel. On these it does not do that. Unless I am remembering wrong. If you have a bad/stripped gear on the clutch when it comes around it will not work right and cause some horrible sounds.

Replacing the solenoid won't hurt, it is easy, cheap but if it does not solve the issue it will be starter clutch and possibly starter replacement time.

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GLAD I HAVE A WARRENTY.

I ordered a scrappy selenode, and a new battery, which i am told is a 9 amp hour

this battery i have drains in 4 to 6 start trys, i pray thats the problem

how hard is it to replace the starter clutch??

[Rebel]

You have to take the cooling fan off, the stator off and you need a special puller. it is most of the right hand side of the crank case that has to come off. Probably need to remove the exhaust and perhaps the swing arm.

Bring it by and we will play with it.

I'm all for doing the cheap easy stuff first, so go ahead and prove me wrong by doing the solenoid first and see if that does it. Now why you are draining the battery is a bit puzzling.

Lets see, back on the how too;

First disconnect the battery.

Drain the oil.

Make sure you have a system to keep track of your nuts, bolts and screws.

Off the top of my head you will want to remove the CVT cover so you can use a spanner wrench on the variator to hold the crank still when you are working on the other side.

home made spanner tool here

While you are on the left side remove the starter motor.

Now go over to the other side and take the exhaust off.

Remove the swing arm, at least I needed to remove it when I did Teds Kymco.

Take the cover off the cooling fan

Remove the cooling fan

Now be sure and take pictures of where everything goes so you don't forget.

You will have a view similar to this, but hopefully cleaner

That was where i discovered the swing arm and exhast needs to be set free.

You will need a flywheel puller to get this off
picture of a puller


Once you have the flywheel /stator off you have to remove that next part of the case. and that will reveal the starter clutch.

The starter clutch is held on with a nut that looks like this




and you need one of these to get it off



There is a seal in that case the will need to be replaced, never pu a used seal back in, it will leak.

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REBEL and jmkjr72 THANKS VERY MUCH FOR ALL THIS ABOVE.

Heres the deal.... it was the junk battery the thiefe who put in the engine sold me

even after a charge it just was not turning the engine, which is a new 180 and tight.

it was like it would not catch in and push.

WHICH MADE ME A FRIGGIN NERVIOUS WRECK.

really don't want to do the walk of shame

As Well, this bike has 15, 000 miles on it, so i changed out

gas pet chock

CDI

Coil

Spark wire

plug

bulbs

brake switches

and tightened up my car alarm install.

I also rebulit the CVT filter to still filter well, but now it really blows some air out the back, actually blows leaves away on the ground--FOR HEAT REDUCTION off the CVT

I also put 2 pin holes in the low marks on muffler to further reduce heat being transfered to the swing arm, back tire and barings.,,remove water

SELENODE-

mine looked good, but can't hurt to change out, I have to ASSUME they char just like a AC contactor, but still work with resistence (??)

The new battery is a Xtreme 6 amp at 60 bucks, starting bike with this new battery is a whole new experiance, smooth and then roar to life

But i think i hear some damage to the starter gear.

very worry some after my last engine treating me so kind for almost 2 years of long driving every day.

you guys are great

The picture is "Jeff White's" Hallowed Ground

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[Rebel]

If starter gears are messed up it could be either the gear on the starter or the starter clutch. Replacing the starter is a fifteen minute job and might cost you $60.00. Replacing the starter, the starter clutch, the gasket, the oils seal and incidentals will run you $150.00 to $200.00 (plus the tools you may have to buy with another about $75.00) and is a lot more work, not a mountain but a steep hill to climb in comparison to most other things owners will do to a scooter.

I suggest that you refer to this manual

[jmkjr72]

reble
once you have the starter off can you see in good enough to look at the teeth on the starter clutch

[Rebel]

I guess you can turn the motor over slowly by hand and rotate it around to see more of the teeth.

[Deleted]

when you guys say starter do you mean the starter motor on top of engine?

ALSO are not the teeth on the starter motor softer then the start gear, as to save it?

[jmkjr72]

yes the starter motor
i belive they are both about the same hardness