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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 14:18:11 GMT -5
i could imagine what would happen, if we take all the "mental people" off welfare or SS. How many more , Newtown's, Auroa's etc would we have? In any country, there is going to be a number of folks who are mentally disabled, in a organized setting they could be offered volunteer work that did not bring on early negative brain cascade or early fatiguing, for maybe 4 hours a day, which is what most are disabled with.
People think because when you have the energy to post here, that you could do anything, facts are many of these folks go long periods everyday where they best be left alone or there will be trouble.
in 1950 there were 95 more free psychiatric beds for every 5 there are now, we are paying the price in our schools, movie theaters and malls, for closing those beds, and as long as the politicians have all there children trained to scream against opening those beds back up, and we have a culture based on being a infant playing cowboys and Indians, they will stay closed.
As every country has learned, the best way to keep a country sane, is to have a excess of "Ready Work" like Germany has.
Not working makes folks crazy too, the more who can't get work but still have children, will produce idle crazy kids, raised on the violence box.
You offer someone retirement and health care and 16 bucks an hour to sweep a auto plant like Sweden does, you'll see folks regain their sanity fast, not all but many.
For most, working in America is a rip off of a adults time, every day is a insult, while your paid just enough just to come back to work the next day.
The minimum wage here in 1962 was equal to 20 dollars an hour now.
people went to work for 20.00 an hour back then, mothers were safe, and kids did not even think of real violence as a way to increase self esteem.
And none of this will change until the very few who control things, but don't have to live this way, are seen for just what they are, people who set a policy and establish a norm for living that makes them the most bucks at the cost of the countrys ability to raise a child.
Never trust a opinion that has not traveled to other "First Nation Country's"
When folks stop lying to them selves for pride sake, and admit facts like-every single human being in Taiwon gets health care, that includes those who don't work, and that country spends half what we do, keeps sickos off the streets and their parks safe for kids,
you might get some where.
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Post by bagga on Mar 28, 2013 16:29:56 GMT -5
a friend of mine is married to a vietnamese woman, she lived there during our "police action" and was a refugee after the south fell. she was telling me about their health care that was free. this is it.....get up early, go to the doctor's office, get in line, (no such thing as appointments) if the line was long and the office closed before you got looked at, too bad for you. free isn't always good.
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Post by Rebel on Mar 28, 2013 20:14:07 GMT -5
Terri,
I understand, I just get so many people that come in to the clinic that want something to be signed just so they can get out of needing to work. I even had to go to a fellows house to draw his blood once a month because he was on disability, totally undeserved disability. I make pretty good money and for the government to spend money for me to take an hour to go to draw a guys blood, in another city, who could very easily go to the lab on his own is just unwarranted. Then he would brag to me about the monthly check he would get, said I worked for twenty years, they owe me a retirement.
I've worked for forty years and nobody owes me a thing I don't pay for.
My comment was for those that just act at being disabled, not those with genuine problems.
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Post by terrilee on Mar 28, 2013 20:41:47 GMT -5
Doug, oh believe me , i knew you weren't talking about me or people like me. i do get defensive , tho. because i do sorta feel , like a drain on society. i could probably work. Yea for awhile and then have a %$#@$% again, quit and be unemployed again for 1/2 - 1yr again. I was just getting to the point, after 2 years of being on meds for the 1st in my life at 50 yrs old, that i wanted to go back to work, because they have a program, where they dont stop your SS, they suspend it. If u cant work or w/e and need to get back on it's easy. And this crap happens. i was off my meds, for 5 weeks, and got really scared.
BUT and this always gets me { fudge i must be sick} Most people, 87% get turned down by SS on 1st app. Out of those it takes years to get approved.
lol i applied in mid Nov and was approved in Jan & thats over T-day and xmas vacations, and fed empl take their days !! so dang ...... lmsao anywho's such is life,
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Post by Rebel on Mar 29, 2013 0:48:30 GMT -5
Well, they guy I spoke of was denied at first, then he got his Senator, Diane Frankenstien to step in and the money started flowing, I bet he gets a lot more then you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 3:05:27 GMT -5
Terri, I understand, I just get so many people that come in to the clinic that want something to be signed just so they can get out of needing to work. I even had to go to a fellows house to draw his blood once a month because he was on disability, totally undeserved disability. I make pretty good money and for the government to spend money for me to take an hour to go to draw a guys blood, in another city, who could very easily go to the lab on his own is just unwarranted. Then he would brag to me about the monthly check he would get, said I worked for twenty years, they owe me a retirement. I've worked for forty years and nobody owes me a thing I don't pay for. My comment was for those that just act at being disabled, not those with genuine problems. WHERE THE MONEY FLOWS THE FOOLS GO
I believe you doug about your experiences with medical thieves, I know of one, but what makes the issue so hard is the ocular deceptions that all are that way.
Mix the adrenalin of a already pissed off at life in general person with somebody's getting something for free, and you have a nut case advocating the decimation of the needy, people use the poor everyday as a punching bag to release their own life rages.
Since the time of Jesus, who warned you just this subject will put a society in ruins and trouble, there has been a huge mirage understanding that has led to policy's that killed many innocents. like the boy at his birthday party, and a woman walking a dog both in Alexandria Va. who were stabbed by 2 different nuts who had been deprived of their 5 dollar a month anti-psychotic medicine do to cuts.
I just want to see a safe society and one that nurtures its helpless, and i have learned in the most horrific ways, penny wise way way to often turns out to be someones murder.
There is nothing we can do now, there is no reversing it, that's why art has gotten so sick, and the kids are buying it, deep in their minds, they know, this state of things will put a nut case at the button.
But good will always rise from the ashes, REMEMBER NOAH
PER ASPERA AD ASTRA "FROM THE HARDSHIP OF MUD, WE RISE TO THE STARS"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 3:14:21 GMT -5
a friend of mine is married to a vietnamese woman, she lived there during our "police action" and was a refugee after the south fell. she was telling me about their health care that was free. this is it.....get up early, go to the doctor's office, get in line, (no such thing as appointments) if the line was long and the office closed before you got looked at, too bad for you. free isn't always good. Bagga, you can do better then war torn Vietnam unless your trying to dilute truth.
CANADA, NO APPOINTMENT, sit in a nice chair,wait for a doctor who can't go home till your seen, with the most urgent first.
England, same deal, and if your homeless you go to a hotel till you heal and the drugs where off.
This country s system was built on criticism keeping it evolving from better to even better yet, people got proud, refused to see anything but happy land,and the criticism stopped, with a nation of horrified people talking about how they are the best.
and children start getting shot and gun ownership has not a dot to do with the problem, only the absolute artistic safety failure of American middle class home life does.
If we want to get on to the scent of the demon who planted the seeds for all this horrific societal change, WE NEED TO SMELL OUR LAZY SELF IMPRESSED SELVES
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Post by Rebel on Mar 29, 2013 15:27:52 GMT -5
I don't know what system is best. I do know that we need some improvement and I really think any other system has problems as well.
I had a 54 yr old man come to see me the other day. He could not pee, his prostate was just too big. He has no insurance. We have no foley catheters because we can not get reimbersed for them. I gave him an order to get a lab test and told himhe really should go to the E.R. he went and they put the catheter in. They would not do any bloodwork on him because he had no insurance is unemployed and has no money. He is caring for a sister that is dying from lung cancer. He may have prostate cancer.
I have sone a referral to a urologist for him but with no insurance, job or money, I have doubts as to his being accepted by one.
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Post by bagga on Mar 29, 2013 20:24:19 GMT -5
a friend of mine is married to a vietnamese woman, she lived there during our "police action" and was a refugee after the south fell. she was telling me about their health care that was free. this is it.....get up early, go to the doctor's office, get in line, (no such thing as appointments) if the line was long and the office closed before you got looked at, too bad for you. free isn't always good. Bagga, you can do better then war torn Vietnam unless your trying to dilute truth.
CANADA, NO APPOINTMENT, sit in a nice chair,wait for a doctor who can't go home till your seen, with the most urgent first.
England, same deal, and if your homeless you go to a hotel till you heal and the drugs where off.
This country s system was built on criticism keeping it evolving from better to even better yet, people got proud, refused to see anything but happy land,and the criticism stopped, with a nation of horrified people talking about how they are the best.
and children start getting shot and gun ownership has not a dot to do with the problem, only the absolute artistic safety failure of American middle class home life does.
If we want to get on to the scent of the demon who planted the seeds for all this horrific societal change, WE NEED TO SMELL OUR LAZY SELF IMPRESSED SELVES "dilute the truth"? that is what she told me, why would i "dilute the truth"?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 22:38:54 GMT -5
BAGGA
we all come from different perspectives of pain about this stuff, no matter what someone post here, we all have one thing in common, we hurt for others seeing it, that hurt shapes how we see it, and the way we hurt shapes what we think a cure to the problem is.
there where 7 blind men describing a elephant, each touched a different part of the animal, each was right about a different part, and each was wrong also for only have felt one part of the elephant.
This subject of social upheaval is no different then the elephant, except people are dying, our people, our folks, children and lovers.
The pain of that fact often stops us from seeing the whole picture and finding a whole answer to cure it/
The fact is everyone reading this is much more likely to die from gun violence or bad medicine, lives are at stake,examples propose answers, so the examples we pick have a life and death failure attached that demands we be most careful.
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Post by bagga on Mar 30, 2013 6:00:34 GMT -5
when mr. moore shows up i pull the plug.
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Post by Rebel on Mar 31, 2013 2:10:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I hardly think Moore is an objective source for any information.
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Post by daddue11 on Nov 20, 2013 12:44:25 GMT -5
if i am wrong why does your toothbrush say china on it? ?? Read more: scooterrebels.proboards.com/thread/2252/bug-coffin-bleed-little-love#ixzz2lCyY77BnFor the same reason your scooter says Made in china , It's cheap and we wanted it. nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. If foreign companies couldn't make profits over here , then they wouldn't selling here , Maybe that's what the big overblown American companies that give numerous execs millions of dollars for bonus money and say that if minimum wages go up they'll have to lay people off might need to start thinking about.
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Post by daddue11 on Nov 20, 2013 13:05:49 GMT -5
It's not the Chinese fault that the American Icons have priced themselves outta the markets. That's why most people that I know shop at Dollar general or the Dollar tree instead of wolworths or J.C penny or Maceis , they might have quality American made stuff (doubt it)but we can't afford it , so we buy cheap stuff that lasts not as long. If everyone quit buying Levis for one year , It would send such a message to that company that thayed have to lower prices. But sadly , no , too many people HAVE TO have the Icon's name on them because they make their butt look shapelier or they'd be embarrassed to wear anything besides brand names. Americans WHINE but they never wanna change. Has God been taken out of our country , YEAH , but we are the jerks that stood by and VOTED or not VOTED him out. remember that when your next grand baby is aborted. Why didn't you vote against it people .
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Post by Rebel on Nov 20, 2013 15:29:18 GMT -5
I voted against it ยก
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