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Post by Rebel on Oct 22, 2011 13:17:38 GMT -5
Let them scream. My 150 was sold as a Longbo, not a great reputation but it is showing 7500 km on the speedo. The previous owner said the motor has been flawless, I replaced the original belt on it, 7500 km on an original belt is pretty good in my book and I can not find anything wrong with the way it runs.
I've had buddies tell me they would never buy anything but a Toyota, because they never break down. I ask, "Do they have a repair departement?" of course they do, why?? Because they do break down.
Let them spend their money on a Vespa and then see when it needs a repair.
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Post by fox on Oct 22, 2011 18:49:29 GMT -5
The Higher end scooters cost you 3-5 grand up front and are more reliable whereas a Chinese scooter is a grand up front and it nickels and dimes you over it's life span but in my opinion, if you know how to fix a Chinese scooter then it can and will last for a long time and cost less in the long run than a brand new Vespa would. BTW, I have replaced a shredded belt and did an oil change and gear oil change on a Vespa ET-4 125cc and they way they designed everything is friggin' stupid. That said, here's a link to the podcast in question. They're a dealer in minneapolis that sells Taiwanese scooters. They badmouth the Chinese scooters because they are out selling theirs. www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/audioPop.jsp?episodeId=20326&cmd=apop
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Post by bagga on Oct 22, 2011 19:10:47 GMT -5
i have several honda ruckus's. i bought them because of parts availability and for the simple fact that they're hondas. the chinese scoots around here are mostly sold at used car lots. they don't have parts or mechanics. if someone asks me about mopeds i steer them to honda. i don't know if anyone has bought a honda because of that or not and i don't care. if they decide to go chinese that's their business and their money, they can do what ever they want. hell, i have harleys too and i know there is plenty of harley bashing that goes on in the world too. it doesn't bother me in the least.
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Post by kz1000st on Oct 22, 2011 19:22:54 GMT -5
BTW, I have replaced a shredded belt and did an oil change and gear oil change and they way they designed everything is friggin' stupid.
Welcome to the world of scooters. I can adjust the valves and change the oil on my Chinese Cub clones in less time than I could get the plastics off to adjust my scooter's valves. I doubt you can access many components on even a Honda scooter without long labor to reach things.
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Post by fox on Oct 22, 2011 20:29:43 GMT -5
I meant to say I did the work to a Vespa and the thing was designed stupid. The oil plug is in a tough spot and it's huge like 22mm's or something. The gear oil plug was just as stupid. The belt case is the only thing that made sense. The belt turned into a huge ball of fluffy crap that got into everything so I had to spend 20 minutes cleaning the clutch and all that crap in there. I have been fixing Chinese scooters for years now. I love them! They are cool as long as you keep the valves adjusted, the CVT inspected and cleaned regularly, the oil(s) changed regular and you don't rod the engine every time you take off from a light or a stop sign. I have a 2003 Qianjiang T&G 50cc 2 stroke that runs great and a 2005 JMStar 50cc that went nearly 19,000 before a crank bearing developed a clunk so I bought a new engine and slapped it in there so it was like a new scooter all over again. I just bought one of the T&G Qianjiang Venice 50cc 2 strokes used on that show Scrubs. Cool little scooter. Runs good. 49ccscoot.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=genchat&action=display&thread=2785&page=2
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Post by oldchopperguy on Oct 30, 2011 13:25:28 GMT -5
Let them scream. My 150 was sold as a Longbo, not a great reputation but it is showing 7500 km on the speedo. The previous owner said the motor has been flawless, I replaced the original belt on it, 7500 km on an original belt is pretty good in my book and I can not find anything wrong with the way it runs. I've had buddies tell me they would never buy anything but a Toyota, because they never break down. I ask, "Do they have a repair departement?" of course they do, why?? Because they do break down. Let them spend their money on a Vespa and then see when it needs a repair. Reb, I couldn't agree more...No matter WHAT it cost to begin with, It's gonna break down SOMETIME... And somehow, it seems that the more it cost to begin with, the more it costs to fix when it does break. Every time my Wife and I see news clips from obscure places around the world, the masses scurrying around on Chinese scoots reminds us that the whole dang planet uses these things for daily transportation... Seems like most of the regular working guys and gals, moms and dads worldwide can afford a Chinese scoot and a Crescent wrench, and do so rather than sign up for payments on something they can't afford to drive. Makes sense!Ride safe, Leo in Texas
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Post by kz1000st on Nov 7, 2011 7:35:25 GMT -5
Sy what you will but this guy msj.4321fun.com/is riding a Baja SC-150 from Maine to Florida. I know the roads he's taken so far and most are speedways. If he makes it that should lay to rest all the "Chinese junk" comments. He practically tore the thing apart, changed out the usual suspects and didn't even really break it in before he left. I don't know if a GY6 can take the abuse he's dishing out but if it does, the heck with all overpriced scooters.
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Post by Rebel on Nov 7, 2011 12:22:56 GMT -5
Well, I think it should be able to make it. The number of miles he is going is less a problem than the riders ability and the maintenance of the scooter on the trip, in my opinion. How is the weather going to hold out for him this time of year. Is rain and snow going to end the trip?
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Post by kz1000st on Nov 8, 2011 7:19:41 GMT -5
He's in Virginia right now. The possibility of snow is decreasing every mile he rides from here on. He could wait out rain if he had to. I still have my doubts about the engine standing up to the abuse but I'm probably going to be proved wrong.
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Post by Rebel on Nov 8, 2011 17:08:18 GMT -5
Motors seem to have a way of forgiving numerous miles at one time. Constant riding is often times less wear than stop and go riding. As long as he does not over heat or run low on oil. It will probably do fine.
Last Summer or Spring I read about a guy that was trying to ride from Oregon to Los Angeles on a 150, he over heated, melting the plastic shroud on the motor and that was the end of the trip, got I think about 400 miles. I don't know ifit got hot because it ran low on oil or what, it should not have been a problem because he was riding the coastal highway and it is not warm there at all.
I'd love to take a long ride like that myself one of these days.
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Post by jmkjr72 on Nov 10, 2011 17:41:48 GMT -5
he has made it to south caralina and has an oil leak issue
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Post by Rocketdog on Nov 10, 2011 18:07:36 GMT -5
Wish I could help him out but that's a pretty fer piece from Middle Tennessee. Gods Speed man.
RD
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Post by jmkjr72 on Nov 10, 2011 18:34:26 GMT -5
so yes if there is any one in that area if you head over to brents site there is a thread there looking for some help for him
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Post by Rebel on Nov 10, 2011 19:35:39 GMT -5
Do you know where the leak is? If it is a valve cover he could just pop it off and put a bead of silicone in there, put it back together and get back on the road.
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Post by kz1000st on Nov 11, 2011 22:14:46 GMT -5
From the pictures I just saw of the engine he scoured the piston and cylinder. He said it blew the base gasket but judging from engine pictures severe blow-by caused that. I was pretty sure he was flogging that little motor too much. He only modified the gearing to lower rpm but Google maps had him at 60mph for long stretches. Way too much for a Chinese 150.
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