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Post by kliff on May 24, 2009 13:07:47 GMT -5
Time to start thinking about catching up with the Brits guys!
250-500cc water cooled smokers, either:
#1 with short swing arm, spark interrupted electric solenoid shifters, and 12-13" wheel, grafted to the back of a Chinese scoot frame.
[glow=red,2,300]OR[/glow]
#2 take a suitable w/c 2 smoker, again, 250-500, cust and machine away the entire tranny housing, modify the clutch side grank have or variator hub, which ever is easiest. Cut away the original engine housing, machine to fit, and TIG the 2 units together.... just think, 45HP KX500 running through a modded 150cc CVT... use castor oil for mixing.....yeah buddy, Smoke, Smell, and POWER!
But this is just for you smoker guys....I'm already planning a KLR650, short swing arm, 12" wheel, electric shifted little meanie, with something like a Milano, or similar Vintage style body.
Gotta finish Maxx, then maybe a REBEL Custom in Urban Gray Camo(for the CBR Rally)...then the Vintage Street Sweeper Sleeper.... 650cc/45HP/12" wheel....burnouts on demand....whatchall think? ;D
PS....I never claimed to be sane...just fun loving.
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Post by 90GTVert on May 24, 2009 14:07:05 GMT -5
As much as I love 2 strokes, I dunno if I truly have a desire to swap in a 500-600cc 2 stroke. I'd prob start figuring out how to fit a modern fuel injected 600cc sprotbike engine first. Either way, I might as well make up my will before the first ride unless I change every bit of the suspension. If I do all of that, I think I should have bought a sportbike in the first place... or maybe I shoulda just started it off as a complete custom build fromt the frame up. That's basically what it would end up being anyway.
What happens when you get caught driving a scooter with a 500-600cc (or even 250cc) engine with no tags, or registration? My 100cc engine looks just like a 49cc from the outside. It would take a pretty dumb cop to not realize I had a 250+ in there. I've tried to tag my scooter before and was told there was no way to do it in MD. Of course there was an employee of the MVA with a tagged scooter who said it was no trouble, but since I'm not an employee clerk after clerk after clerk told me it will always be considered a 49cc and I can't register it even if it is modded. That's another reason it might as well be a full on frame up job. I think at least then you can take it to an inpsector (only one person in my state can do the inspection so you have to travel to his branch of the MVA) and hopw he certifies it as a custom build and allows you to register. If not, you either ride illegally and haul ace when the sirens come on or put it on a spinning pedestal as a decoration.
I like to mod, and I've joked about huge engines in these things. I even put serious thought into turning my scooter into a trike and using the turbo 331 from my 'stang to power it. My thought is, it's pointless. The power from bike bike motors or my engine would be unusable IMO. If you looked at the throttle wrong it would stand up or smoke the tire(s). I have no desire to go 100+MPH on these things without serious frame and suspension mods and as I said earlier, I might as well just buy a sportbike by the time I get all that done. It would be a fun custom scoot (maybe, depending just how nasty it would be) but good luck getting it to out handle and outrun the sportbike I coulda bought with the time and money into the scooter. When I put a 114cc high compression 4 speed on a little midbike frame (meant for a single speed 20MPH 2 stroke) it was riddiculous to ride because it had too much power for it's own good. It would grunt wheelies out in high gear. You couldn't shift gears with the throttle opwn or it would literally flip itself over backwards. Every person that ever rode it said it was a death trap. I liked it, and it was a neat toy for parking lots, but I couldn't imagine trying to drive that in traffic or just any everyday situation. That's why I wonder how great of an idea the 500-600cc engines wuld really be on a little scoot. Maybe I'm way off? I really do hate to be the one saying I don't think modding is worth it, I'm almost never that guy, but I do have my doubts in this case.
On top of all that, if you want 45HP you should be able to get a smaller motor than a 650 I'd think. Don't the little modded KX125's do that with some work?
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Post by kliff on May 24, 2009 14:36:22 GMT -5
But think of the "shock and awe" factor of a 6fiddy sitting there when you raise the seat....
Sorta like having an old '65 mustang, and openning the hood to reveal an injected 427SOHC...sure, who needs it....but do you WANT it? lol!
Ummm... raise the seat? I'm not very familiar with the big 2 strokes, but I would think you'd need one big seat to cover that up. Shock and awe is cool, but if it's too much it gets old. The 114cc engine I stuck in that little bike got swapped out for an 88cc that will only almost flip itself over when you shift. I get what you're saying though, that's why I built the midbike. It's quite a feeling to sit on the seat the first time and wonder, "do I really wanna do this?".
Unless it is one monster 427 the Mustang can put the power down and won't flip itself over. If it can flip itself over, it's prob like a scoot with a 600cc 2 stroke, not streetable. I don't want a trailer queen for a car, bike, or scoot.
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Post by xs650 on May 24, 2009 14:41:41 GMT -5
But think of the "shock and awe" factor of a 6fiddy sitting there when you raise the seat.... Sorta like having an old '65 mustang, and openning the hood to reveal an injected 427SOHC...sure, who needs it....but do you WANT it? lol! Putting a P-51 Mustang engine in a '65 Mustang would be a better analogy to what you are proposing ;D |
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Post by kliff on May 24, 2009 14:47:17 GMT -5
That would be cool to...I'd still want it!
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Post by xs650 on May 24, 2009 14:53:36 GMT -5
That would be cool to...I'd still want it! In the 1960s I started mocking up a scooter around an 80 cubic inch Indian flathead twin that my father had behind his shop. I dropped the project when I started working my way through college. It wasn't going to be all that much longer than a Cushman Eagle. |
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Post by 90GTVert on May 24, 2009 17:39:15 GMT -5
The P51 engine puts out what, 1100-1200HP? A friend's 428W '92 'stang puts over 1,100HP to the wheels. It still won't flip itself over like the scoot might. I'd actaully rather have the 428. It would destroy the P51 powered stang in everything but a car show. I saw a thing about a car with a p51 engine. It didn't say anything about performance other than it would do 140MPH in third gear. The 428W does 140 in thrid gear in the 1/8 mile.
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Post by jmkjr72 on Jun 13, 2009 22:14:16 GMT -5
well i have an early 70s kowi triple 400 2 stroke that i was going to build into a go cart if any one wants to try and shoe horn that into a scoot and that engine would pull the front on the bike even shifting into 4th
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CAN YOU HELP ME OUT MAN,AS i LOST ME JOB DUE TO NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THERE?ANY INF