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Post by sarniarebel on Mar 5, 2011 6:09:55 GMT -5
so this morning after work i was driving home in the rain. the ground is still sorta frozen so there is a LOT of water in fields and such. i didn't think much of the water and took my normal short cut through the field and that is when i got into trouble. the water got pretty deep. it was over my floorboard and then all of a sudden i felt the belt slip, the scooter revved up very high then it almost instantly stopped. at this point i knew i sucked up some water. i popped the spark plug off and tried to crank it over but nothing. it was bone dry. as of now, i can sorta kick it over but its VERY tight (feels like its hydro locked but it isnt.. makes no sense) and a good chunk of the electronics are wiped out. i think this might be the end to the vino  |
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Post by Rebel on Mar 5, 2011 22:15:08 GMT -5
You can always rebuild it. When it rev'd up you didn't hear any clunking did you? Not turning over with the kick start makes me wonder about the rod bearings or main bearings.
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Post by sarniarebel on Mar 5, 2011 23:28:27 GMT -5
I'm thinking it's the rod bearing too. There was a pretty loud clunk, like someone threw a brick at the engine
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Post by Rebel on Mar 6, 2011 4:07:06 GMT -5
Nobody was standing around with a handful of bricks was there?
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Post by 90GTVert on Mar 6, 2011 8:04:36 GMT -5
I'd take the CVT cover off first. If a belt slips it could end up out of place and hung up on something. Happened to me just yesterday actually, my belt decided it would rather be inside out.   So what that did was to hang up and put a lot of tension on the vari, which is of course attached to the crank. Made it so the e-start couldn't even turn the motor over faster than a few RPM maybe and really struggled at that. So before you call it done, check the CVT. Then, pop the cylinder off and have a look around if that doesn't settle it. A 2T is a terrible thing to waste.  After some dry time, it's possible that some electronics may come back to life. Dunno that you'll be that lucky, but we can hope. ...And steer clear of those rogue masons. |
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Post by jmkjr72 on Mar 6, 2011 9:17:36 GMT -5
i have also seen blets the fail wrap around the varatior so tight that you cant turn the engine over
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Post by 90GTVert on Mar 6, 2011 11:43:34 GMT -5
I did that multiple times in a week. lol Moral of that story... stay away from those really cheap $15 Chinese belts. A lot of folks don't know that a failed belt can lock up the engine, but it's quite common. Sometimes the clutch can even lock in from belt strands or chunks and then you can't even push the thing home or up a ramp.  If it does it at speed, hang on. I had one do that at 50MPH and my tire locked up as if I slammed on the brake... although my poor little drum doesn't even have that much force. lol Shortly after I did it again at 35MPH on a different scoot. That was those darn cheap belts I stocked up on again. |
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Post by jmkjr72 on Mar 6, 2011 13:06:01 GMT -5
yeah and if you are running a yamaha engine your best bet is shelling out the money for a yamaha belt
there spec is just a bit diffrent then the others that run the hm engines
sure they work but there are more issues with them
that is unless you are now running an over range
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Post by 90GTVert on Mar 6, 2011 14:50:01 GMT -5
I've had the best luck with Bando belts for my China clones. I was snapping belts for a spell on one scoot. I used the cheap belts and the Gates belts and I couldn't make them last. I had some go in less than 10 miles, including the Gates so many speak highly of. I hunted down every possible cause and still kept snapping belts. Stuck a Bando on there and it's been there for 1,000 miles now.
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Post by sarniarebel on Mar 7, 2011 10:22:27 GMT -5
im feeling pretty dumb right now..... i dont know how it is even possible BUT after i took the top end off and checked for play in the crankshaft, i took the cvt cover off and LOW AND BEHOLD. it was the belt... it looks like i have to get a new one. it chewed it up pretty good and it wraped around the drive side of the cvt and was jamming it.
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Post by 90GTVert on Mar 7, 2011 13:52:03 GMT -5
Hey, at least the only thing you killed was the belt. ;D
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Post by jmkjr72 on Mar 7, 2011 16:19:22 GMT -5
was it an oem yamaha belt or an after market belt
over on zumaforums we have notcited that the after market belts dont play well with the zuma and vinos and some one took some measurements of brand new belts and ther was enough of a diffrence that we figure yamaha specs a slighlty diffrent belt
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Post by sarniarebel on Mar 8, 2011 1:04:47 GMT -5
it was an after market belt i had on it. and i think your right about it being a bit longer, i noticed when i put it on that it was a tad easier to get on than the OEM belt
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After some dry time, it's possible that some electronics may come back to life. Dunno that you'll be that lucky, but we can hope.
If it does it at speed, hang on. I had one do that at 50MPH and my tire locked up as if I slammed on the brake... although my poor little drum doesn't even have that much force. lol Shortly after I did it again at 35MPH on a different scoot. That was those darn cheap belts I stocked up on again.
CAN YOU HELP ME OUT MAN,AS i LOST ME JOB DUE TO NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THERE?ANY INF