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Post by Rebel on Mar 12, 2010 2:29:31 GMT -5
Go around the airport singing hari kari??
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Post by Rocketdog on Mar 12, 2010 8:30:54 GMT -5
well, there have been two recent Prius events in the news, one in California, I think the other was in New York. I know that the advice the CHP gave was for the driver to apply both breaks and parking break, that slowed it down to about 50 from 94, then turn it off put it in neutral and was assisted in stopping by a CHP car. I think that cars built now, if you turn them off, you loose some steering and breaking control. It seems to me that there is a genuine problem with the cars. And it seems to me that Toyota is doing all it can to deny any design problem with the electronics. They have failed to provide information in court regarding the details. I agree with you Rebel. Somethings wrong. RD |
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Post by rockhound on Mar 12, 2010 14:21:59 GMT -5
O.C.G. - I agree those old "Land Yachts" are the most comfortable rides. Safer too, made with
metal & not plastic or fiberglass. Thanks for using the word wagon ,still call them station wagons
myself , not SUV =Dune Buggy.
If you stop and think about it,every new car improvement that is out has cost lives until the bugs
are worked out of it. IMO the more complicated the system the easier to go bad. Keep it simple.
Toyota is just doing what the Big 3 does when things go wrong. Remember GM & their fuel tanks? KW and faulty steering gear? I agree there is something is wrong & needs fixed.
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Post by Rebel on Mar 13, 2010 17:07:15 GMT -5
I remember GM and the fuel tanks, especially when it came out that that tv special report on it had to rig an explosive device to get them to do the exploding they wanted them to do. If you are talking about the side bag type tanks.
Now if you are talking about the tanks that were mounted in the cab of the truck well, that was kind of stupid, but GM was not the only one doing that, so was Ford and Dodge and probably the Japanese too at the time, but that was back in the mid 60's and earlier, they moved the tank from inside the cab to the side tanks, an improvement if you ask me. I rode in a lot of truck s with the in cab tanks, never had one blow up or catch fire on me.
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Post by xs650 on Mar 13, 2010 17:25:07 GMT -5
thats it i just think most of these people dont know how to drive i used to race circle track so you dont know how many times i have had things hand or brakes go out you just have to have you witts about you get it in neutral and find a guard rail or k barrier to srub up agiasnt if your brakes are gone heck even if you cant get it into neutral holding the brakes and rubbing agianst a k rail will slow it down to a very reasonable speed It's both. Toyota has a problem and the average driver doesn't have a clue what to do when anything out of the ordinary happens. On top of that 1/2 of drivers are worse than average. ;D Toyota needs to fix their problems and we need higher standards for getting a drivers license, including demonstrating knowledge of what to do under a variety of unusual circumstances. A good share of the people I see commenting elsewhere (don't think I saw it here) are just as ignorant as the Prius driver in the news. You see idiocy like people wringing their hands and saying that if the engine isn't running you can't control the car because the power steering and power brakes don't work.  A drivers test should include shutting down the engine, putting the car in neutral and bringing it to a stop while making some gentle terns, then maybe those morons will realize cars are controllable without power assist.  |
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Post by Rebel on Mar 13, 2010 17:41:49 GMT -5
Thing is, the power steering and the power brakes do become much harder to use without the power. Some people just can't cope without the power assist. I was weaned on a no power brake, no power steering car, truck and sand buggy, but todays cars are just not as easy to handle without the power assist as those were back then. Then when you turn off the ignition, in a lot of vehicles the steering locks, I've never driven one of the Toyotas so I don't know if they do.
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Post by xs650 on Mar 13, 2010 19:03:51 GMT -5
Thing is, the power steering and the power brakes do become much harder to use without the power. Some people just can't cope without the power assist. I was weaned on a no power brake, no power steering car, truck and sand buggy, but todays cars are just not as easy to handle without the power assist as those were back then. Then when you turn off the ignition, in a lot of vehicles the steering locks, I've never driven one of the Toyotas so I don't know if they do. That is exactly why everyone should be aware of what their car does under unusual circumstances. Most cars can be steered well enough with PS out to get them to the side of the road by a little old lady without her working up a sweat. Every car I have driven the steering doesn't lock until you turn it past off to lock and/or remove the key. Which ones lock the steeering in the first off position without removing the key.? |
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Post by wcurtin1962 on Mar 20, 2010 0:22:39 GMT -5
I will never be a fan of Toyota, but what the US government is doing to them is spooky!
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Post by jmkjr72 on Mar 20, 2010 8:40:52 GMT -5
the issues with the power steering is that most cars have moved from the old style where the pump was more like a power assit to power rackinpinion and they tak much more presure and they are almost a hydrlic steering system
but then again this is only an issue when you are going less then 15 mph
we have a car that has a power steering issue with the rack and it will cost over a grand to fix and th acar just isnt worth it its still safe to drive so we deal with what the wife calls tank mode steering at slow speeds in parking lots and the driveway
yes they can become hard to steer but just about any one can still steer them
and unless you move the key or switch to the lock postion your stereing wheel will not lock
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Post by kz1000st on Mar 22, 2010 10:37:49 GMT -5
Let me add my two cents for my favorite hate topic. My wife's Toyota started running rough the other day and gave us a check engine light. I changed to platinum plugs in all four cylinders and it started up smooth as glass. Of course the check engine light wouldn't go away. Went to the dealer this morning and had it analyzed. The morning the trouble started it was 37 degrees according to the computer history and number 4 cylinder misfired. The plug might have gone bad but even though I changed it the code was stuck and the light was on. I think when she started the car the fuel injection system hadn't fully pressurized and it caused the plug to burn oil in the cylinder or burn lean or something vile. So for $53.95 they analyzed the problem, reset the system and I was on my way.
Any body else want to know why I think fuel injection on scooters or motorcycles is STUPID???
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Post by Rebel on Mar 22, 2010 11:36:47 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure all auto makers have similar problems. The more complicated you make something, the more problems you can get, so the more problems you will get, eventually anyway. The up side is that electronics are much more dependable than mechanical things. Well, until they release the magic smoke, then they don't work at all.
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CAN YOU HELP ME OUT MAN,AS i LOST ME JOB DUE TO NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THERE?ANY INF