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Post by jmkjr72 on Nov 12, 2012 16:14:15 GMT -5
yeah kymco has some fairly strict guidlines for dealers and you have to take delivery from one of there dealers
and even if your a former kymco dealer or you only deal in the kymco off road line you can not get kymco scooter parts
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Post by jmkjr72 on Nov 12, 2012 20:24:24 GMT -5
This was decided HIDRA, a company which held the shares. Popular in Italy in the 80s for the moped A3 "Silver Bullet" and Hummingbird designed by Giorgio Giugiaro. The Tovarna Motorni Sezana (fabbirca Motorcycle Sesana), known as Tomos, may not mean much to the younger riders, but those who lived through the epic of mopeds 80s surely evoke memories. Were the years of Yes, of Bravo Hello and Piaggio, the "tuboni" as the Malaguti Fifty, and then there was the Tomos A3 with its "Silver Bullit". The company, located in Koper, then in the former Yugoslavia, has its roots in the '50s, and slowly he had known how to build its share of admirers in Italy. Many models of success until the '80s, thanks to products that are particularly well chosen, just as the A3, an economical, easy to drive, robust (as was put to the test by 14 year olds at the time), with frame pressed steel and motor 2t-start "pedaling." For many the first "motor" with which to go to school or show off with friends in the games room. followed later in that same decade, the launch of the Hummingbird, half lines most sought by Giorgio Giugiaro. The company now closes its doors, but not because it was in crisis, only to strategic choices, with 60 dipendeti absorbed by the mother. Tomos Hello dear, many of us will miss you! www.pianetariders.it/2012/10/chiude-la-tomos-azienda-di-motorini-dellex-jugoslavia-produttrice-dei-mitici-a3-e-colibri/26557
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Post by Rebel on Nov 12, 2012 21:13:49 GMT -5
Regarding the quality and price of motorcycles.
I think it is just like Ford V Chevy V Chrysler.
I had a boss that would always be sure and let me know how bad Chevy's are because I have always had a Chevy or GMC truck , with the exception of a single Ford I bought from a buddy because his house had burned down and he could use the cash, I had to rebuild the motor on it, and a 1970 Datsun.
This person was into showing horses and would make comments about all the Ford and Dodge truck owners would say how bad the Chevy trucks were,in particular the trans one them. The boss loved Fords, I would just sit there and listen about how bad my truck was, even after the time he was stranded 200 miles from home with a burned up transmission in the Ford truck. I guess they were lucky they had horses to ride out on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 3:32:01 GMT -5
VERY FUNNY STORY you tell rebel
I wish I had your ability to sit still while people act weird at the exspense of my ego
I have spent this last year around some religious folks who used to be addicts, now their DRY born again drug addicts.
nice folks with crosses who used to carry glocks and big white bags of imported stuff they forgot to pay taxes on.
They kinda liked me as dispite all my bragging about getting bombed, I can say yes or no to any substance.
A few weeks ago i decided to say yes to some very wonderful wine, i mean the real magic stuff-Lindimens sharaz 2011.
they found out and dis owned me, over 2 glasses of wine.
ca put--trashed,,thrown out, I am now only cat ltter the day after.
to my surprise i am dam glad these ex drug addicts pretending to be born again saints are gone. really made me nervious, as I watched them continue to do what many drug addicts do,
have no reverance for the lives of others, they would ditch friends at the drop of a hat, one night they where screaming at each other cause one said the others colongne was vodka......
always knew i might be next, then i was.
I really think sometimes there is a connection between not loving people and it causing a emptyness that folks try to fill with drugs.
NOT ALWAYS FOR SURE, some folks just need to really calm down and can't on their own, a lot of them live in denver, evadently.
Sort of a nat health care issue, can't see a shrink for nerves so see a pusher, WOW I wonder if that was planed that way by the folks who sell prison walls
nah,,,,could nt be
I have 2 other friends who are both rev's. and they both love a good wine,
They also don't sexualize semi nude women in classical art,
the doing of which is really perverse, and these reformed addicts did it all the time.
arnt friends great! as a real friend reminds us what sanity is and is not. dam no wonder i am straight, i all ready ramble like i was on drugs,
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Post by terrilee on Nov 13, 2012 12:19:50 GMT -5
most addicts rather it be hard drugs, alcohol, gambling eating like a horse, w/e
usually replace 1 drug or action for another
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Post by Rebel on Nov 13, 2012 15:54:44 GMT -5
The extreme to any behavior or belief is always of a closed mind.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 19:50:46 GMT -5
most addicts rather it be hard drugs, alcohol, gambling eating like a horse, w/e
usually replace 1 drug or action for another MOST important word i ever learned in psyc class was
mild dis-sociative dis-order
this is a learned response to stress, using it is classified as a defense mechianisum and a addiction.
you can see it in about 50 percent of the population who are not awear they do it.
Adults usually know when they are doing it as a temporry get by., i did it when my new engine screwed up, i said heck with it, i will figure it out next weekend, and pushed the thought from my mind, but the whole time i lost a bit of myself till i faced the engine and felt yards better when i got the work behind me, this is because dis-associating anything shuts down whole parts tof the personality, even IQ is lowered.
During the time i pushed this out of my mind i tended to make more minor mystakes in reasoning, very small, but there, in this way the dis-socitive person begins a down hill life spiral if made a life long condition with many events tuging at our energy to be blotted out.
, but after facing the engine I felt better.
Bruce springstine said "you can't push out the hurt and the pain, without losing some of the love that remains"
Samething.
For many hiding truths on the back burner becomes a way of life, while a great temporary gift for short term coping, as a life long crutch, it destroys lives.
To be all we can be, we must face our pain in the eye, heal it, forgive it and forget it or it drains our robustness and highest clarity.
Many use drugs to help the dis-sociative process take deeper root.
Another way to help dis-sociativness is fried food, nothing like a sluggish liver to null the brain as the liver is over whilmed with oil, it slows pure blood to the brain, this makes us drunk.
you will never cure a addict of druging or over fooding till you heal the pain or head injury that caused the need to "flee the self in pain"
Bat man was a example of a dis-socitive person dealing with pain, he could never let go and get on with a normal life, from this he moved on to what therapists call-Co-Morbidity. as a side to his pain he became obbsessed with killing bad guys
He had --dissociative fugue, in this state taking on a new identity is very common, as in wanting to be a super hero
read more here- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_fugue
In the real world, i know not one single deserving woman and mother who wants such a husband, or of a child who could be raised sanely by such a father.
No one can live with out facing facts and forgiving them, this takes a adult, no matter how much some one does not deserve to be forgiven, we must forgive them for our sakes, or that resentment eats a whole part of our being for ever, that we and our loved ones need from us.
I did not say we pardon evil, just forgive and forget it, or it secretly rules our life and the bad guy wins.
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Post by bagga on Nov 14, 2012 19:19:53 GMT -5
i have a headache now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 20:34:49 GMT -5
SORRY BAGGA sometimes i give my self one trying too hard to get rid of one
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Post by kz1000st on Nov 15, 2012 17:52:35 GMT -5
I realize this thread has morphed, but about the original subject. I would say that enthusiasm hasn't waned but moved on. Face it, any scooter from Vespa to CCS isn't as reliable as a cheap Jap bike off Craigslist. Mileage is a toss up in comparison. Yes, there isn't anything in the bike world that approaches a 50cc scooter's 100 mpg, but from there on it's equal. Ridden carefully my 150cc got around 70 mpg. My 250 CF Moto gets 72, my wife's Rebel 68. Which would you use on an interstate or cross country trip?
And yes, people are sucking it up and paying at the pump. Did you expect less? Fewer are joining the scooter world, many are moving onto bikes for their all around usefulness and I don't get the parts thing.
My CF Moto blew a transmission shaft, Parts for Scooters had what I needed and got it to me in two days. The Honda Helix shaft I ordered took a week and cost twice as much.
A little research and less moaning always pays off. As Cook Neilson said about Ducati parts. "The secret in life isn't knowing the answer. It's finding the person who has the answer."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 2:24:37 GMT -5
I realize this thread has morphed, but about the original subject. I would say that enthusiasm hasn't waned but moved on. Face it, any scooter from Vespa to CCS isn't as reliable as a cheap Jap bike off Craigslist. Mileage is a toss up in comparison. Yes, there isn't anything in the bike world that approaches a 50cc scooter's 100 mpg, but from there on it's equal. Ridden carefully my 150cc got around 70 mpg. My 250 CF Moto gets 72, my wife's Rebel 68. Which would you use on an interstate or cross country trip? And yes, people are sucking it up and paying at the pump. Did you expect less? Fewer are joining the scooter world, many are moving onto bikes for their all around usefulness and I don't get the parts thing. My CF Moto blew a transmission shaft, Parts for Scooters had what I needed and got it to me in two days. The Honda Helix shaft I ordered took a week and cost twice as much. A little research and less moaning always pays off. As Cook Neilson said about Ducati parts. "The secret in life isn't knowing the answer. It's finding the person who has the answer." Well this would appear to wrap everything up and we could just dust our pants off and go home, but as bms just told me, "things are not working out"
For me, its oxymoron-ic, that the sellers have sold scoots on the portability issue, which eludes to a free-er life style, when in fact for many who get the lemons, it turns into a nightmare, of larceny on the sales floor, larceny in dealer responsibility follow up, and never ending run a rounds for parts.
I think KZ is right about parts, if you are inclined as KZ is to be a math, left brain major, and its nuts and bolts and slide rules for breakfast, just another day with another broken part, but for the right brained and else where trained who are a greater part of the population except were brain washed by media to be other wise, it's a journey into more mis-organized and maybe fraudulent no mans land.
If the mis-organization don't get you, then the fraud might.
Or as my redhead says, "I can Probably get to the store after dark safely, but its such a drag having one more people/culture fear, heck with it".
This fad got off the ground with a foundation of mechanics, and it fell down to the same associated problems mainstream society has learned the hard way to associate with wrenchers, they often fail miserably at human nurture issues, and it is the human nurture issues that have reduced the joy to a minimum at the sales point, after market and the most of all, the Internet forums, where human empathic ineptitude shows most.
I do not mean the guys who are mechanics and artist, doctors, electronic wizards, or teachers, I mean that Grey area of human being who calls himself a mechanic but has never really mastered anything, especially the mystery's of his own heart, and now works a phone at Scooter Deposit and Steal com.
these guys have killed this market.
I have watched as much as 300 folks come on to a forum and never feel at ease enough to join, just as many of them read this here.
Scooter sales went the same place all the happy shiny people went who used to pm me to death, off the forums in a retreat from very real unpredictable out comes, that "sore" in this arena.
If you look closely, these just refused to be treated as "nut and Bolts"
They are all that is holding this country back from barbarous social decline--I APPLAUD THEM for saving us.
If it where not for rebel, I would not even be here, and as i have said before, his civility has made him "out shine" the other forums.
I live with a wall street anal-ist, he knows one very great truth, a market rises on bright hopeful faith, and this market is going down in flames from once burned twice shy very wise people, who have fatigued from a waste of faith.
The fed was running a race to keep the dollar afloat, they let these bikes in here with very little regulation except from those groups who would raise a stink--epa and safety, while the rest of the bike parts and bolts act like rubber in a pair of pliers.
I actually squeezed the head off a bolt on a 50 cc one day.
So we got a unregulated product that acts out of control,, AND NOW MANY TIMES ONLY THE OUT OF CONTROL WANT TO EMBRACE THAT.
Some how i rode 70 plus Miles a day on my first engine for 14, 000 MILES , for almost 2 years, boron helped for sure.
But now i can really see why folks thought i was lying, final comment on that, I really had a very good fortune with that bike. but its better some folks should not believe me, cause most will not be able to duplicate that experience, boron or no boron.
For many, learning a bike and how to maneuver through the mine field of maintaining it, is OK,
but until the china folks (Communist Generals who got the loans to start factory's) stop dumping bubble gum metal that "maybe it will, many times it won't" on the rest of us, it will be what it has become, mostly a enthusiast market.
Which is very very OK for enthusiast,
but not the rest of the larger market dollars out there, and BMS for one is weeping about that daily.
Mean while I have other things that need my total attention as seen in the picture below-
but not before thanking first all the folks who made this thread so wide spectrum and wise-all of whom i would buy a bike from any day.
KZ,
hondamatic
FOX
jmkjr72
terrilee
Rocky88 (i want your your handle man!)
bagga, who i gave a head ache, sorry brother gave me too.
And rebel, who keeps me (us) sane.
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Post by bagga on Nov 17, 2012 8:16:25 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Actthis law pertains to anything sold with a warranty. this was discussed throughly on some HD boards i'm associated with. one of the things about it is, if a seller says you must use the oil they recommend to keep the warranty in effect they have to give you the oil for FREE. some HD dealers were telling their customers they had to use HD branded oil to keep their warranty, when people figured this law out that practice stopped. another thing about it is, if you change your muffler and then the bearings go out in the wheels it is still cover under warranty. changes you made has to be directly responsible for something that went wrong with the machine.
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Post by bagga on Nov 17, 2012 8:26:28 GMT -5
i started to put my hog back together friday. i have about 2 hours in it right now with about 2 more hours to go. once it's back together and running, i'm sure my "scooter thrill" will be on the upswing. i don't know what it is, but every time that old V-twin fires up the hair on the back of my neck stands up. throwing you leg over a harley, slamming it in gear, and rolling is a feeling like no other.
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Post by bagga on Nov 17, 2012 8:41:07 GMT -5
now back to scooters, i think people buy scooters on an impulse. they think it will be loads of fun but the first time they ride to work and it is kind of cool out and then they have to ride home in the rain they find out it isn't as much fun as they thought it was going to be. they might need to pick up some milk after work and it is to hard to carry it home. after awhile there is always an excuse not to ride. 50cc machines are ok for around town if you travel 35 mph roads but that's not always the case. you don't need a motorcycle license for 50's in wisconsin so that another thing that is a selling point but in general people don't think this stuff through because they don't have any 2 wheel experience, i just looks like fun and that's all they think. when reality sinks in they park it in the back of the garage and forget about it until their next rummage sale.
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Post by fox on Nov 17, 2012 19:54:55 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that most Americans are morons. Most can't drive right, they are clueless as to how to change a friggin' tire on a car they have owned for two years for cryin' out loud! People (men and women) will buy a Chinese scooter, ride it for 2-3000 miles without doing any service to it and the engine finally seizes up and they blame the "Chinese P.O.S."
Some guy posted this over on Dawg:
"Well what really pisses me off is ragged a@@ chinese scooters that takes a fkn guru to figure the problems with them, well there is one problem I did figure out mine it grenaded going 55 with Mobil 1 in it. Sunl products are great fine pieces of well enough said."
It's a Chinese built 147.9cc glorified lawn mower engine. Just because it'll do 55MPH doesn't mean it'll handle it for long periods or even 5 minutes. They aren't built for that. They are for tooling around town at 40-45 with an occasional 50-55mph burst to pass a car or whatever. If you run them at WOT for long they will fail no matter what oil you use.
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