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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 21:26:45 GMT -5
Recent events across the web i have wittnessed make me think many folks are losing their ethusiasum about being in the china gy 6 market.
There are of cousre guys like "rapid Jim" and "Scrappy Dawg" who have nailed a market share that will make them sucessful for a long time.
But these are not the basis for signs and signels for a ever growing market.
I have watched many dealers back tread on parts inventory or go out of business.
Superiour power sports seems to be in decline, BMS has told me they had a bad year.
Warm weather areas like Fla., NY or east L. A. I think will always have a thriving market, but other wise I think i feel a real down turn.
But I am just one person, and as we all know not always the wisest, and wonder what others think they see?
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Post by jmkjr72 on Nov 5, 2012 21:35:30 GMT -5
its not just the clone market i know some big brand scooter only stores that have taken big hits over the last 2 years 2008 was a peak 2009 was ok and 2010 was the start of the death nail
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 21:39:56 GMT -5
its not just the clone market i know some big brand scooter only stores that have taken big hits over the last 2 years 2008 was a peak 2009 was ok and 2010 was the start of the death nail thanks for yours. why do you think that is happening?
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Post by Rebel on Nov 6, 2012 2:44:25 GMT -5
For the USA, I think there was a surge when the price of gas took a big jump, now people have become accustomed to the higher price of fuel and are falling back into old habits. THen it was always more acceptable to ride a motorcycle.
Then in the back ground the "clone market" is not doing itself any favors when it is hard to find parts for scooter like yours. In my opinion the 16 inch wheel scooter had a better shot at doing well than the smaller wheeled scooters, they certainly performed better than the smaller ones. Just no back up.
Thirty years ago most guys, at least the ones I knew would have no trouble working on these things, today's youth, give them a IPad and they can make it do great things, ask them to change a spark plug and they have no idea what it is. All that and no good service after the sale, no wonder the Chinese scooters are not doing well.
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Post by terrilee on Nov 6, 2012 8:44:01 GMT -5
man i had a real nice, intelligent post, lots of points but i guess i hit the wrong button so heres the shorter version, dang it
when gas prices go up the interest went up, but as soon as the prices went down a bit everyone jumps back in their gas guzzlers
if gas prices where equivalent with the rest of the world, im sure there would be more interest. But americans, being americans, would still want Motorcycles, with bigger engines than scoots. Americans have this thing BIGGER, FASTER
why do we need cars, m/c's, etc that go 120 mph ? the speed limit is half that!!!!!
it's just that american thinking BIGGER, FASTER.....
many times when sport bikes, harleys etc riders would chuckle at me at red lights i would just comment, " hey i can go as fast as you can go, legally."
but thats NOT the american way BIGGER, FASTER, waste more gas, but i can go 100mph
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Post by jmkjr72 on Nov 6, 2012 19:24:28 GMT -5
yep the huge spike in prices made people want them
then they droped and slowly raised so people didnt think about it
kinda like putting a frog in a pot of boiling water it jumps out
put it in a pot of cool water and slowly bring it to a boil and you will cook it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 3:35:18 GMT -5
. Americans have this thing BIGGER, FASTER it's just that american thinking BIGGER, FASTER.....
they are not thinking anything, thinking is aganst their religion.
thinking involves diet portions, gift love instead of dependent NEED LOVE, and not needing to be told you are ok by others all the time, cause you never came to that conclusion your self like a adult. The car sellers tell you you don't have real equipment down below till you have a big truck, many being frustrated by life in geniral anyway cause they can't un ravel the mystery of it, ...really like the release they feel when told " if you can't dodge it,,then ram it""
where i live many are so weak in the head if you tell them their mother has corns, they will ruin their life fighting a complete stranger rather then laugh like a adult-
adults--who can tell the difference from external threats and internal all knowing.
much of this is because their internal parent is so weak, it falls down doing its job of keeping a person sane by making us strong aganst such external non sense, by constantly saying in the back ground--your OK
No person, truck or politician can tell me who i am, my hard work on my self does that, so i am not for sale for a pat on the head.
little kids don't learn that any more, and stay little kids till grey.
buying big trucks, except for the many folks who really need them, most just want to compensate for the big hole between their ears. for them getting a big truck is a animal reaction, like baring chest, these are people who you can wrap around your finger if you say something often enough.
Just like little kids.
But another very wise and fat wallet group, do it for safety I like a big safe SUV, especially the japanese ones. a big family SUV is worth the bucks as they can save your life
But i perfere a real sterio, real shoes, real furnture and most of all real food,
go ask the next big truck guy you see who just drives it to fill a hole in his growing up,,,,what he ate last, what he watched last, what he read last.
I also agree with rebel, many of these folks can't fix a bike so it scares them.
but heres the problem, knowing how to fix a china bike can become a real problem too., cause folks will burn up their life time fixing it, when it eats into other life enriching activities, like social time, studie of the facts, understanding yourself better by reading, spending time alone etc.
this is my last china bike.
I got it to be sporty, save money and feel light.
but all the PITA crap that came with it just made it absolete. And that is sad, cause these big wheel bikes are motor cycles they don't go slow and should have captured the market
And they are worlds safer too
IMHO
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Post by jmkjr72 on Nov 7, 2012 7:32:59 GMT -5
if i could afford another small car my suv would sit more often then it would be driven well that is except for the winter when the 4wd is an almost must have
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Post by fox on Nov 7, 2012 12:03:48 GMT -5
I think it's a combination of gas price fluctuation and the market weeding out the weaker dealer/suppliers. If you don't provide a good service at a competitive price then you will fail. There are other factors too. People aren't feeling all that confident in the economy's recovery just yet so they aren't buying any "toys" and there are many, many bad reviews of Chinese scooters out there from people who blame the product instead of their own mechanical/technical ignorance or they have a bad experience with one shady dealer and they post a blanket review about how Chinese dealers in general are con artists. Again, they blame the dealer(s) instead of themselves for not doing any research about said dealer(s) before they buy.
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Post by rocky88 on Nov 7, 2012 15:10:08 GMT -5
i do know this.. if i cant charge more to do these scooter heads im not going to be able to continue.and yes things really slowed down since the gas drop. which is good in one hand but a little bad in the other. the price that these dealers are selling these heads for there is to me not much money in doing port jobs and valve jobs. if china is selling them cheaper then thats were they are gonna buy from even if the porting and valve job sucks. to me anyway. it's hard to have a machine shop and good skills now a day's..but i will keep goin as long as i can..thanks
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 15:22:02 GMT -5
I think it's a combination of gas price fluctuation and the market weeding out the weaker dealer/suppliers. If you don't provide a good service at a competitive price then you will fail. There are other factors too. People aren't feeling all that confident in the economy's recovery just yet so they aren't buying any "toys" and there are many, many bad reviews of Chinese scooters out there from people who blame the product instead of their own mechanical/technical ignorance or they have a bad experience with one shady dealer and they post a blanket review about how Chinese dealers in general are con artists. Again, they blame the dealer(s) instead of themselves for not doing any research about said dealer(s) before they buy. Fox and jmkjr72well spoken stuff
I as well think tho, many americans are not used to having to do so much back ground work on a purchess.
In the big picture we needed china to buy our t bills and so our leaders let these bikes in without any real consumer regulation other then the safety and EPA rules.
many of these rules worked aganst the buyers, my 180 cc 16 inch has been canned because it had hit and miss with passing epa regs, when in fact just owning the bike was a swing towards a cleaner world.
For safety alone, you can not beat a 16 inch wheel bike, they are a whole new world, and the many who can put down a smaller bike after riding it, would have loved a 16 inch over night, its a motor cycle and they would kept on going as loyal owners, bringing this bike in as a real sought after bike.
Chinese metals are not the fault of the aspiring new scootist, to watch a metal warp as you have never seen a american or japenese do right before your eyes is a wonder to behold.
If these metals alone where hardened, you would have the deal of the century in a china bike.
When folks come to see a new part is not gonna fix something for any real period of time, its like patching things up with a lover who won't ever really try and devorce sets in.
Add to that criminals like scooter depot, or good companys like superiour that go down hill without even a staff change over, and you get just another part of your ever changing world that has no footing to get strong on.
And wise men flee.
China ( like the arabs) have lost all faith in the dollar, maybe now we will see more consumer protection as that protection moves to serve us at home instead of a lack of it serving us over seas.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 15:27:20 GMT -5
i do know this.. if i cant charge more to do these scooter heads im not going to be able to continue.and yes things really slowed down since the gas drop. which is good in one hand but a little bad in the other. the price that these dealers are selling these heads for there is to me not much money in doing port jobs and valve jobs. if china is selling them cheaper then thats were they are gonna buy from even if the porting and valve job sucks. to me anyway. it's hard to have a machine shop and good skills now a day's..but i will keep goin as long as i can..thanks And every minute your in that shop, there are a whole lot of folks who you can't see wishing you on brother. thanks for all you do.
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Post by rocky88 on Nov 7, 2012 16:29:43 GMT -5
no thank you.........
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 21:45:18 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel on Nov 7, 2012 22:25:17 GMT -5
Repair is why I only recommend Chinese scooters to people that can repair them themselves. Or somebody that has a buddy that can do it for him and teach how to be a mechanic.
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