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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 10:52:23 GMT -5
Hi folks
I have a bms 180 cc engine, from time to time i have played with putting 2 cycle gas in engine, along with some seafoam to reduce upper piston friction which is a issue on all gy6 engines.
recently a friend said he always does this and i started doing it again.
bike runs great, I am running rich to keep the engine cool,
tho my friend bluefront dropped a valve seat on his, I have seen these bikes with 20,000 mile on them.
I want to be one of those.
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Post by Rebel on Aug 31, 2011 13:59:16 GMT -5
Sounds a bit like using Marvels Mystery oil in the fuel as a top end lubricant. Run too much and the plugs will foul (that does not look right to me, is that a chicken?)
One member that has a scooter dealership in Santa Barbara used to sell those but stopped, they ran so well that the owners would run them all out and they couldn't hold up to the abuse. An oil cooler might help, certainly won't hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 14:53:38 GMT -5
what is the held opinion about how much oil per gallon
any body know
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Post by jmkjr72 on Aug 31, 2011 16:04:30 GMT -5
i have done this on race cars and derby cars
more to make sure i had some sort of oil in an oiling failure and to help keep the engine a bit cooler running only water in the rad
100:1 is pretty rich for a 4 stroke to be adding i would run this mix fo a short derby
for race i would run 150:1 to 200:1
but be warned you will plug up fuel filters faster and you will proably need to clean your carb more often
honestly if you are thinking something along this line use marvel instead of 2 stroke oil
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Post by noday on Aug 31, 2011 16:45:33 GMT -5
I don't know of any evidence, anywhere, that suggests adding oil to the gas for 4 strokes prolongs engine life.
the longest lived engines that I know of are the diesel and nat gas generator and pump engines. they run for years without stop. no oil is added to the fuels.
adding oil increases carbon deposits because the oil does not burn as well.
oil will also make ethanol less soluble in the gas. however with E10 and very small amounts of oil this is not a real factor.
long engine life is more related to oil changes, lower rpms and lower engine loads than any gas additive.
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Post by Rebel on Aug 31, 2011 17:35:42 GMT -5
Diesel is oil so there would be no need to add any, natural gas is very clean burning.
Having had a diesel truck I can say that after an oil change the oil gets black as can be real fast, like after pulling it out of the driveway almost and you have black oil that was just changed. Stationary engines tend to run very long without breaking down because they run at a constant rpm that they are set up for.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2011 3:38:44 GMT -5
::)NODAY     as rebel points out. ditto. the GY6 pistons get most heat from upper rim that has no lubrication, there is other heat, but upper rim is the weak point, especially by chain path, no air cooling there. As my friends bluefront/sprocket points out, snyth oil wicks well for wet starts, but even it can dry around upper piston rim at high speeds I run rich, that is a lubricant in it self, but i want more, this bike is fast ass and i don't want to burn it out. I am putting 10 drops of snyth oil per gallon! and mix by adding gas from hose. ok guys, somebody beat this up here, this subject needs perfection. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2011 3:53:30 GMT -5
also why marvel, does that burn real well like seafoam which will blow your hand off, tho a oil base.
ps sorry fell asleep on smiley button above.
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Post by Rebel on Sept 2, 2011 11:40:02 GMT -5
Ten drops per gallon I don't think will cause any problem. I also wonder if it is doing much in the way of lubrication, you are talking about 1/2 cc per gallon.
1/2 an ounce per gallon would be close to a 200:1 ratio, there are close to 30cc in one ounce.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2011 12:47:51 GMT -5
i WILL MOVE UP TO 25 DROPS
past that i would worry about clogging plug and will report back about same.
mean while i did get a very good hum from the gumout "gas treatment" and using very little.
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Post by snakedoctor on Sept 2, 2011 16:30:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't put oil in my 4 stroke scooter's gas, Have not done it in 53 years and have had no problems. I don't believe I will start now.
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Post by Rebel on Sept 2, 2011 17:56:26 GMT -5
I don't have a need to do it either, but if TN wants to, it's his scooter and he can fill us all in on how well the scooter does with the oil in the fuel.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 13:39:53 GMT -5
changed my mind, have switched MY ADDITIVE to POWDERED TIDE in the big orange box.
just kidding fellas, and thanks very much for your input here.
the classic GY 6 has a upper piston oil issue, that is responsible for more heat then bottom half , but below rings side on piston is fine, I will continue with the oil mix and let all know if i lived to tell the tale.
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Post by Rebel on Sept 3, 2011 14:12:31 GMT -5
We understand, it is just your effort to put out clean emissions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 16:07:23 GMT -5
THERMO DIPSTICK SAYS I AM RUNNING A LITTLE COOLER by about 2-3 degrees, that could also be new snyth i just put in and a slight ambiance temp drop
we have hadOne thing is very real, a few drops of oil in gas tank using cold start to lubricate cylinder before spark start should make for a less wear start up what you guys think? |
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